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the completed plus size clothing bingo card.
Bingo! BINGO! BIN-GO!!!!
Why don’t we take into account that for ‘tall’ jeans I will typically pay more? This is an economics issue as well, because less are made they’re sold at a higher price. It’s classed as niche marketing, it’s not a tax.
50% of the US population — that’s women over a size 14 US — is not a niche market, you fucking thinsplainer.
There’s a difference between servicing a niche market and having a certain population by the balls.
tldr; Shut the fuck up, and sit the fuck down.
-ATL
Hi, I read your FAQ a while back and since then have stopped saying "overweight" thanx. Soon I am giving a class presentation on how retailers should include "plus-sizes" in their standard-sized lines. I dont know what to call ___ people without sounding rude, thin-privileged or un-PC. I doubt my audience will feel comfortable with me saying "fat," especially since I'm not. I also dont want to overuse "plus-size," because what apparel thinks is plus is actually average. What term is best IYO?
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plutopius
I still think “fat” is best when referring to fat people in a general sense (activism, as a group when referring to discrimination and attitudes against fat people), but I can see how a clothing line might be set up better along a spectrum, with different wording.
Here are a few ideas:
1. “Minus Sizes” - “Average Sizes” - “Plus Sizes”
Kind of like our current system, except everything turns on the general average size. For instance, if the average size of a woman in the US is a 14, then 14 would be 0. 12 would be -1. 16 would be +1. Like this:
-8 -7 -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 (new)
00 0 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22 24 26 28 30 (current)
Such a system would also have the effect of making folks realize that 00 - 4 aren’t any more ‘normal’ kinds of sizes than 24 - 30.
2. You could suggest a system kind of like clothing for men, going by measurements and not labeling the sizes with the intent of separating them into sections in stores. Fashion Bug did this for a little while, before they were bought out. eShakti doesn’t have physical stores, but they offer 0 - 36W at the same price — what they call their ‘standard sizes’ — and then offer custom sizes as well, that conform to whatever measurements you give them (which I usually do, since I’m six feet tall and pear-shaped).
Just throwing a couple of things out there. Perhaps my more fashion-and-clothing interested followers might have a few ideas of their own, too.
-ArteToLife
Tweeted by @suZen:
What the. Plus sized women get “Manatee Grey” while standard sizes are “Dark Heather Grey.” @Target #notbuyingit pic.twitter.com/nzHNYoytnp
Why not just call it Call No Attention To Yourself You Fat-Ass Cow Grey and have done with it?
MANATEE GRAY?
This hurts my feelings. :/
i mean…
fuck this
i already hate shopping for clothes, now this? but nah, we’re not discriminated against or anything. never happens.
fuck everything
wow.
Oh man, I looked it up. It’s real.
I love manatees but seriously FUCK. THIS.
ARE YOU FOR REAL. and I know they chose manatee to be insulting because why else would they choose to reference rotund sea creatures for only their plus size dress?
however I will say it’s refreshing to see that the plus size dress is 3 dollars cheaper than the straight size one.
“Shapewear” = modern girdles. And seriously? Fuck that shit.
Except that a lot of ready to wear clothing doesn’t fit right unless I mash my bumpy bits around. I see this criticism coming from either smaller fats or young fats. The ready-to-wear clothing industry does not like saggy tits or poochy bits of tummy fat that aren’t really rolls.
I don’t mind shapewear, it lets me wear the clothing they’re only interested in making for 20 year olds.
I sometimes feel like the only person who really liked having spanx available. They made me feel confident enough to wear dresses, and made me feel I looked nice. I liked them, personally.
Yeah, I’m done with FA trying to shame people, espech deathfats on their experiences of fitting into clothes and feeling more confident. Do what you want with your own body, if that includes shapewear, own it.
Noting that the expectation that fat people should or need to wear shapewear is very much like the expectation that used to exist that women should or need to wear tight girdles isn’t fucking shaming fat people who wear shapewear.
I’m getting tired of FA blogs that ignore institutionalized oppression so they can be easy-breezy about actual problematic trends that are bigger than individual fat people wearing or doing what they want (and are in fact set in direct counter to fat people wearing and doing what they want because, like noted, there is an expectation that fat people should or need to wear very expensive and possibly dangerously constrictive clothing in order to appear socially acceptable).
This is just like when some note that the social expectation for women to wear makeup is problematic, and others respond, “Stop shaming women who wear makeup.” Women who wear makeup are not being shamed by the observation that the expectation women should wear makeup is problematic. Additionally, and though certainly this isn’t always the case, it’s a response that sounds like someone who wants to hang on to the beauty privilege won by wearing makeup and not have to think about why the institutionalized expectation that women must wear makeup (and men must NOT) is fucking problematic and oppressive.
You can go ahead and pretend that plus size stores dedicating an increasingly significant percentage of intimates-section floorspace to ‘shapewear’ when the same isn’t nearly as true of straight size stores isn’t problematic. Or that fashion guides aren’t starting to incorporate an expectation that fat women will wear shapewear under everyday clothing, or that fashion designers themselves aren’t doing the latter so they don’t have to bother to design for unbound fat bodies.
Personally, for all I care anyone who wants to can bind themselves in whatever degree they wish, all day and night, for the rest of their lives. But I’m not going to pretend shapewear in its current formulation and marketing doesn’t have strong ties to the institutionalized oppression of fat people. It does.
-ArteToLife
Thin privilege is…
[TW for fat hate, malpractice, ED]
Thin privilege is going to the doctors with an itchy, bumpy rash in between your fingers and getting it diagnosed without mentioning that your obesity is behind it.
Thin privilege is going to the doctors with strep throat and not having your doctor’s assistant close the door so it’s just you two so she can have a “private” discussion with you about nutrition, pulling out the food pyramid chart for kids, and then demanding to know what you’re doing with your life when she’s done ~educating~ you.
Thin privilege is where your doctor/parents don’t push you to have a life changing, permanent surgery designed to turn your stomach into a coin sized pocket when they know you have binge eating.
Thin privilege is having clothing stores near you that stock your size.
Thin privilege is not having your doctor dismiss a painful lump on your breast as a product of being fat and assuring you that if you lose weight it’ll go away (not my personal experience).
Thin privilege is getting to dismiss the fat erasure in Les Mis with claims of “well, they were starving, so it’s only NATURAL they were all thin…” or “it’s just a movie”.
Thin privilege is assuming that everyone has access to the same options as you do.
I was recently on another site, reading a thread about looking your best, where one person basically declared that it’s not that hard to dress well for cheap because you can buy clothes at a consignment shop and…
DO. YOU. KNOW. HOW. HARD. IT. IS. TO . FIND. A. SIZE. ZERO.
HAVE. YOU. EVER. BEEN. FORCED. TO . SHOP. IN. THE KIDS. SECTION. AT. AGE. 18????
Dude, you can shop in the kids’ section? That’s cool. When I can’t find my size (which, even though I live in a semi-urbanized area, means driving at least 30 miles away to find ONE STORE — note I’d be passing several malls with dozens of straight-clothing stores in the process) I can’t shop in any other section at all. I’m just fucked.
Stop pretending your little privileged problems are remotely like what fat people have to go through.
(obviously, the utter obliviousness of the above response is thin privilege)
-ArteToLife
Thin privilege is walking into any clothing store, and being served as a customer regardless of whether the clothes in the store fit you or not.
I went into a store the other day to buy an ENTIRE outfit for my husband. I was completely ignored by staff whom I am pretty sure were laughing and staring at me… Too bad for them I walked I didn’t spend my money there….
Thin Privilege is not going to a Target store for over 1 year and not knowing that they stocked plus size clothing because it was hidden behind the maternity section with no sign.
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Male and thin privilege. All the shirts at BustedTees are like this.
NO GIRLS ALLOWED TO BE EXTRA LARGE OR LARGER! NO!
-FA
I sent them an email about this very thing and got a prompt response saying they were switching printing companies and would be offering Female-cut tees in larger sizes.
Except that was over two years ago. I don’t want a shapeless unisex tee because they don’t cut in where I like and they just look bad on me and I don’t feel as good in them as with the “feminine” cut tees. :/
…What I am talking about.
Tip: get a guys shirt that technically fits and then take one of your favorite shirts and lay it on top of it and cut the guy shirt into the shape of your favorite one. That’s what I started to do and now all the shirts I loved but never wore are my favorite shirts!
Don’t be intimidated… I am not the crafty type at all. I just tested my skill on a shirt or two that I didn’t care about. That’s all it took. Usually all I need to do is cut the collar off and cut the sleeves shorter and at an angle (thus using your favorite shirt as a pattern) and they’re so comfy and look great!
I just bought a shirt from BustedTees with precisely that plan.
If there is enough interest, I can write a tutorial or make a video, but I learned everything I know from YT videos already in existence. Try it, it’s worth it! It can’t hurt to try!
-Fatanarchy
Male and thin privilege. All the shirts at BustedTees are like this.
NO GIRLS ALLOWED TO BE EXTRA LARGE OR LARGER! NO!
-FA
Thin privilege is being able to express a desire to go out in shorts without your mother calling you ‘insane’ and going as far as to threaten to shred said shorts.
Because when a thin person wears shorts, a sleeveless top and flip-flops, they’re either ‘dressing down’ or ‘going casual.’ When a fat person wants to wear the exact same thing, their mental state and the few clothes they have are questioned and threatened.
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Thin privilege is being invited to an event and the uniform they have available are only S, M, G baby look t-shirts that do not look good on you even thought your body is not that much bigger, you still look much more fat than everyone in the event. And the only other option is to use male t-shirts, which do not look flattering to you body, either.
(*mod note* When you get handed a male t-shirt, try to find some scissors asap and cut that puppy up! I watched a couple YT videos and now all my unflattering t-shirts are my favorite ones! -FA)
Fat girls like sexy panties too
On Black Friday, I went out shopping for holiday gifts for my family. I had to work that day so I had to go out pretty early and no one wanted to go with me.
As always, I had a hard time not shopping for just me and only me. I like to treat myself to gifts and sure enough I found myself sifting through lingerie, cute underwear, and bras in the local Kohl’s department store.
I never did have much luck finding anything in my size, let alone something that fit my cup size, so I wasn’t very shocked to find that there wasn’t much of a selection beyond something that I am not due to wear for another 40 years (hopefully not even then, oh god).
I stumbled across a bit of a tiff between a customer and an employee that morning. The customer, a female that looked to be in her mid forties seemed quite distressed, “I can’t believe you would say that. How rude is that? I should be allowed to wear whatever I want to wear!” she said, not actually shouting, but her voice seemed to raise 4 octaves.
I hadn’t caught the beginning of the conversation but as I picked up more and more from their responses to each other, it seemed that the employee (a man that seemed to be in his mid twenties), had made a harsh comment on her body.
“So you honestly think that, just because of how I look, I should be forced to wear something unattractive?”
At this point the man seemed stunned in silence only stuttering “Well… I mean… ugh… come on….”
“All I was doing was asking if you had this in one size bigger in the back” she held up a pair of pretty, lace undies.
The more I heard, the more I realized that the man had made a comment along the lines of “No, because your size shouldn’t be wearing this kind of clothing.”
The woman looked mortified and nearly in tears. She wasn’t “fat”, she had the hips of a mother and looked like any normal woman her age. I wasn’t sure why he had to be so harsh. And then I realized, I wasn’t sure why they forced women like us to feel less attractive when we had every right to emit sex appeal, just like any thin woman did.
I continued to absentmindedly sift through underwear just to listen to their conversation when the woman took notice of me and my size, “See? She wants something sexy too! Are you going to tell her she can’t have any and has to dress like a grandmother?”
He was stunned staring at me. Not because I think he found me attractive, but because of my age. After all, it’s understandable if an older woman wears granny panties, right? But a 20 year old?
I simply smiled and named off a few clothing stores that I knew of that had quality lingerie in my size. “It does astonish me that your store and stores like yours insist on not providing proper clothing to those willing to pay for it. It’s bad business. I come here and can’t find a single pair that fits me, at least not comfortably. And it’s not because my size is uncommon, this is America. It’s because of the attitude behind it, and obviously the attitude is emitted through their rude employees who talk down to beautiful women, telling them what they should and should not wear.”
The woman just stared at me and smiled. She then recited the stores I had named off and I could tell that she would be going home that day to look them up. I nodded and looked back up to the employee, “I’m willing to pay four times the price at another store for just one pair of underwear. You lose customers. And it looks like you’ve just lost another.”
I was about to leave when I had to add, “Oh and by the way… as for bigger women not being allowed to wear something sexy because we should cover up our bodies? And because I am bigger, I should be ashamed of my body and not wear anything sexy? Well, I have a boyfriend half my size who very much enjoys my body in lingerie, if you catch my drift. And maybe I’m just crazy, but if you want to actually appeal to women, perhaps you should start respecting them.”
And then I went on my way, pretty damn proud of myself too.
Thin privilege is whining loudly in class about how you don’t fit into jeans, even size 0 jeans, or yoga pants, and how all you wear are leggings. Believe me, that’s not something to complain about; I’d love to wear leggings as pants without getting laughed at. I really almost felt like leaning up to her and saying, “Well, at least you’re not fat, right?”
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