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Whee! More trolls!


Oh golly gee gosh, I post about a troll and some more jump on the bandwagon.


*sparkle* 8D *sparkle* <--we remember what this means, yes? Good!

Let's take these from the least offensive to the most, shall we? Fair warning to anyone who'd rather scroll past this:
we've got more tone policing, fake concern, but-what-about-the-chillllldrennnnn, and somebody would like me to die.

anonymous:
Saw your TiTP (and your response to a troll). I'm sorry that this happened to you and that the saleswoman was harsh. As a recent bride, I was also directed to the shapewear section of the lingerie store and I am a size 0. The reason I bring this up is because often times the wedding dress needs smooth lines from the lingerie not being lacy and needs proper support, particularly if you are going strapless. I really do mean well, but I must go anon because my blog is not personal at all.

melredcap:
*shrug* Well, if you hadn't gone anon and had asked me to reply privately I would've. Given that the saleswoman had asked no questions at all about what my dress looked like or needed in the way of underpinnings, and she was - I repeat from my last post - MIMING FAT ROLLS AT ME - I rather think that if I had been a thin size she would have helped me find all the lacy frilly sexy undies I wanted.

anonymous:
Hello. Before anything else, let me just say that I am not a troll, and I am genuinely curious. After coming across a post with some pretty heavy fat-shaming and being raised in a society that valued thin bodies, I decided I wanted to hear the other side of the argument. Among other things (but this first), I would just like to understand why bigger women think being big is healthy, when there are statistics showing otherwise. I apologize if anything I offended you, and I hope nothing did.

melredcap:
Hmmm, anonymous, starts out with "I'M NOT A TROLL", asks a question that could have been answered with a few seconds and one click on the page they presumably found me from, asks a question phrased to 'subtly' show that they're already right, mentions ~STATISTICS~ supposedly supporting their position without actually citing or linking to any, annnnnd finishes with a nonapology. If it quacks like a troll and anons like a troll... hi, troll. For anyone else who is HONESTLY thinking "but the media keeps telling me it's unhealthy to be fat" and is too POLITE to ask a fat woman instead of doing a little research themselves, allow me to direct you to http://thisisthinprivilege.tumblr.com/faq#whatabouthealth

sciencefitness:
Hi, I was just wondering if you know that "shaming" doesnt exist? Nobody can make you feel ashamed about something you are ok/proud of. They can remind you of something you are already ashamed of but thats not shaming since you were ashamed of it in the first place. Greetings, sciencefittness.

melredcap:
Wow, that's a lot of pics of nude women and Game of Thrones posts for a blog supposedly dedicated to 'bullshit-bashing'. Huh. Okay then. And no, 'shaming' does exist. Society tells everyone from babies on that FAT IS BAD, and when you grow up marinating in that it's pretty damn hard not to absorb some. Even if you do manage to reach adulthood without that horrible self-hate and fear that everyone sees you as disgusting - about a million topics, not just fat - if someone tells you you're disgusting and you don't accept it, it's still shaming even though it didn't work.

anonymous:
Your collarbones are supposed to show. So if at the time you were "skinny fat" (what the fuck does that even mean, if you're fat, you're fat) does that mean that now you are super whale fat?

melredcap:
If you're referring to me saying that the saleswoman's collarbones and wrists were 'prominent', I didn't mean that they just showed - mine show just fine too, honey - I mean that they stuck out pretty far, in a "you can't tell the state of someone's health just by looking BUT..." sort of way. Also, what is it with trolls and bad reading comprehension? I said I was a 'small fat', not 'skinny fat'. That means that although I was overweight according to society's measurements and BMI, I was still small enough to get a lot of thin privilege as compared to fatter people. And I already said what size I am now - wow, you didn't read my post much at all, did you? - I'm bangin'. (For your information, that means AWESOME.)

anonymous:
Hi. Sorry, but calling a thin person a twig isn't that cool, and we both know that is what you meant when you wrote that you were 'wider than a twig'. It's just not cool, so therefore, that other anon called you out on it. Maybe you're not body+ and don't care about that by 'giving no fucks'. You can call me a troll and tell me to 'fk off and die' to make MG proud, but truth still stands that twig is a derogatory term for someone thin, and your use of it was not cool.

anonymous:
Plus, I'm just telling you that because to might help you be a better person, more body+ and create a more better community for all of us. I hope you're having a lovely day. Oh, and hope that your wedding was/will be wonderful! :)

melredcap:
Whee! Tone policing! Fake concern! Oh my god, saying the word 'twig' in a fat-positive space is totally skinny shaming! Call the Internet police! I am body positive, anon dear, that's WHY I give no fucks. Thank you for the (probably included to make you sound more legitimate) nice words at the end of your (tone policing trollish) message! My wedding rocked! I shall not tell you to die, because only asshole trolls do that! Now fuck off, that'll create a 'more better' community. *sparkle* 8D *sparkle*

anonymous:
there are children dying all over the world and somehow you still find the time to bitch about a woman directing you towards something you didn't want in a store. hon, WELCOME TO RETAIL. hahahahahahahhaahahah oh my god what a joke. oh, darling, please take your head out of your cellulite filled ass and grow up. youre a victimizing cunt and the world would be a better place without you. again... hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahhaa you're a JOKE (another disgusted anon just for you)

melredcap:
There are children dying all over the world and somehow you still find the time to write vicious anon messages to a fat woman who dares to complain about someone being rude to her? I post a grumpy submission to an online blog and that makes me a 'victimising cunt' who deserves to die? Meanwhile you're... ah... what is it you're doing again? Oh, yes, you're somehow championing the cause of dying children everywhere by sitting at your computer typing shit that you don't even dare put your name to, you cowardly fuck. Why does the idea that fat people might want to be treated politely threaten you so much (there in your little troll mind palace lit by the light of your computer screen and your own glowing bile) that you have to try to pummel us back down into what you think of as our place?


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writeswrongs:

satelliteshowers:

fattyforever:

curvily:

How often have you been shopping and you come across something that is just PERFECT, but does not go up to your size? Over 60% of American women wear a size 14 or above, but only 17% of clothing sold is 14 &amp; up. That is a ridiculous disparity.
Moreover, when some brands move into plus (ahem H&amp;M), they throw their signature trendy looks by the wayside in favor of flowy dark fabrics that they think “work” for plus sizes. That is crap. Plus size women want color, print, and structure. Moreover, we want variety. A group this numerous cannot be a monolith, and since style is such a personal thing, we all have different tastes. I want #plussizeplease to be a way to showcase the demand for styles we’d buy and rock, and all the money brands are forfeiting by refusing to expand their sizes.
So here’s how to use it:
1) Snap a picture of a garment you love but does not come in your size. Include the brand and price, tagging the company if possible. For example, I am in love with this Zara marble print dress. I would have purchased it yesterday if it went above a size L. My tweet would be:
“.@Zara marble print sheath, $59. I’d buy it right now if it came in my size. #plussizeplease”
2) Use it on any social media – Twitter, Instagram, Tumblr, Pinterest… even Facebook supports hashtags now.
3) Tag anything you’d purchase, whether in store or online.
4) Feel free to include the size range it comes in and/or the size you think you’d need. Sizing can be tricky, so this is definitely not required.
5) Tell your friends! I don’t just want this to be a blogger thing – I want all women who wear size 14 and up to show their purchasing power and share styles they love. Let’s be unignorable!

Um, yes. I will be doing this.

Yes. I support this movement

watch me be loud as hell

Activism! #plussizeplease

writeswrongs:

satelliteshowers:

fattyforever:

curvily:

How often have you been shopping and you come across something that is just PERFECT, but does not go up to your size? Over 60% of American women wear a size 14 or above, but only 17% of clothing sold is 14 & up. That is a ridiculous disparity.

Moreover, when some brands move into plus (ahem H&M), they throw their signature trendy looks by the wayside in favor of flowy dark fabrics that they think “work” for plus sizes. That is crap. Plus size women want color, print, and structure. Moreover, we want variety. A group this numerous cannot be a monolith, and since style is such a personal thing, we all have different tastes. I want #plussizeplease to be a way to showcase the demand for styles we’d buy and rock, and all the money brands are forfeiting by refusing to expand their sizes.

So here’s how to use it:

1) Snap a picture of a garment you love but does not come in your size. Include the brand and price, tagging the company if possible. For example, I am in love with this Zara marble print dress. I would have purchased it yesterday if it went above a size L. My tweet would be:

“.@Zara marble print sheath, $59. I’d buy it right now if it came in my size. #plussizeplease”

2) Use it on any social media – Twitter, Instagram, Tumblr, Pinterest… even Facebook supports hashtags now.

3) Tag anything you’d purchase, whether in store or online.

4) Feel free to include the size range it comes in and/or the size you think you’d need. Sizing can be tricky, so this is definitely not required.

5) Tell your friends! I don’t just want this to be a blogger thing – I want all women who wear size 14 and up to show their purchasing power and share styles they love. Let’s be unignorable!

Um, yes. I will be doing this.

Yes. I support this movement

watch me be loud as hell

Activism! #plussizeplease

(via stfusizists)

<p>
Me: I'm tired of not finding clothes my size! <br>

Friend:
well just go to Lane Bryant! Or Dots! That will fit you! <br>

Me:
*finds out Lane Bryant is expensive for my salary and Dots is junior plus size, so some of the tops barely fit over my chest* <br>

Friend:
that's why you need to start making your own clothes! Start a business on it! That's what I would do! <br>

Me:
*sewing sizes only go up to a small juniors 20, with the stock of true plus size patterns even lower* <br>

Me:
*mainstream dress forms can only accommodate a size small, and adjustable forms for plus size only go up to a size 48 in waist* <br>

Me:
*sewing classes only teach a smaller size of a garment pattern, with a vague footnote after a lot of complaints on how to make it bigger* <br>

Me:
*fashion design classes only encourage you to work with small model size in relation to a pale face, and business classes discourage you from catering to plus size because what plus size people want Victoria's secret style sleepwear?* <br>

Me:
god this sucks, I'm tired of not being able to find things in my size. <br>

Friend:
wow why are you so angry? Calm down ana. Calm down! If youre having so much trouble why don't you lose weight? You shouldn't be trying to dress yourself for the size youre not anyway. That's clothes you wanna make for skinny girls anyway. </p>

The fact of the matter is, no matter how you feel about anyone, you don’t get to treat them as less than human because you don’t like the way they look. You don’t get to sneer at their rolls. You don’t get to tell them that they’re the problem with why your clothing is substandard. You don’t get to tell them that they’re not beautiful, that they’re not cool, and insinuate that you’d rather they never shopped at your store. You don’t get to pretend to be concerned about health, citing how “painful” you feel their struggles are, when you’re really just disgusted that you have to share the same bus with them and you don’t care about health at all. You don’t get to do that, and what’s more, you know it.

from “The Battle To Be Fat & Human

gambitia:

This is Thin Privilege: It’s been said many times on here, but thin privilege is finding…

rhythmicamber:

ladyknucklesinshape:

shredded-sorostitute:

thisisthinprivilege:

It’s been said many times on here, but thin privilege is finding clothing in your size for a reasonable price.
I am a size 26-28 (depending on the fit, I can even get into a 24) with a 3x torso
I also am cursed with a small chest (I call it a curse because I admit to wanting my boobs just a little…

Your bras aren’t more expensive because companies assume you’re fat; it’s because it’s not a common size so they have to be custom ordered. That costs the company MORE money than mass producing and they don’t mass produce because since it’s not a common size, they would lose money. This is true for most of your clothing problem. It’s not a conspiracy against fat people; it’s called cost of goods.

Seriously; get over your bitterness. Not everything is a conspiracy. 

Now though I do agree about the cost of goods thing, skinny/average people clothing is ALWAYS cheaper than fat people clothes. It makes no sense that I have to pay anywhere from 2-5 dollars more than what a skinny person would buy.

Also to put it like this, if I go into a sports store and want to buy nice looking workout clothes I am basically shit out of luck because Nike and them don’t really make work out clothes for fat people for the same amount that a skinny person would fit.

THAT is the underlying issue. Yeah I understand basic economics but at the end of the day, you would make MORE money providing for fat folks.

The company needs more material to make a bigger size, that’s why clothes are a little more expensive. And to be honest with you, nike is looking for the athletic build, not “fat” build, kind of client. They make sportswear. It’s great if you want to wear nike and you want to train, but not many big people do train, hence it being hard to find a fitting nike shirt. It isn’t “thin privilege”. It’s business and targeting a certain clientele.

You know how much extra material is needed for a plus-size garment?  Not much—maybe a half-yard to a yard-and-a-half difference depending on the item.  At what clothing companies get their yardage for, this is nothing.  Certainly not enough to warrant the price hikes usually seen in plus-size clothing.

Additionally, clothes manufacturers have no problem at all rolling the costs of xxs-xl clothing into a set price.  There’s an appreciable difference in yardage needed for an XXS shirt than for an XL shirt—comparable to the extra yard needed to go from XL to plus-size—, yet companies do not charge any more for an XL than an XXS.  This is because the price of yardage is averaged across the sizes.  Averaging prices across XXS—4XL instead of XXS-XL would result in a negligible price hike.

Gonna need a citation for “not many big people want to train”, because I know quite a few.  Fuck, I’m an 18—a mere two sizes bigger than the ‘average’ woman—and I can find dick-all for nice exercise gear, Nike or no.  It’s either thick sleep pants or expensive specialty store items.  I don’t care what Nike does as an individual company—they’re allowed to do whatever the hell they want—but (a) I’m allowed to question their decisions, and (b) it gets pretty fucking old when not just Nike, but no major exercise wear maker makes things I can wear.  Training for a 5K gets old in too-long thrift store sweatpants.

Most sports places dont just sell sizes XS-L, it all runs small as sportswear so smaller sizes can still fit. And those sizes you can find it as cheap or expensive as youd like in ANY style. For plus sizes its either pay 50 per item for expensive semi nice wear, or less than 20 an outfit for a t-shirt and sweats or for frumpy track pants and danskin (which is only up to a 2X if you wanna stay in stores and it also runs small). Larger sizes who enjoy workout clothes are rarely catered to.

Asked by
bringyourownbacon

Yeah, the only workout clothes that are reasonably affordable and fit me are these horrible heavy knits sold by places like Avenue. And “fit” is often a very loose definition. Like, fits around the hips but is baggy everywhere else. Or has armholes as big as the Grand Canyon. 

The idea that thin folks feel entitled to have everything fit perfectly and be affordable, and the lack of either or both of those things is anything remotely like what fat folks go through, is such a fucking laugh — even the stuff MADE FOR plus sized folks is often 30% hit and 70% miss in the “fit” department, and is nearly always made of cheap non-breathable quick-pilling fabric.

-ATL

To every thin person complaining about the “no plus size clothes in sports stores” post —

(post here)

— and saying things like, “Oh, it sucks because the S and XS are always raided and so hard to find!”

…you do realize that a place like Olympia Sports (just using an example of a place around here that sell sports clothing) doesn’t sell anything even near my size? That I could even theoretically cover my body with? 

It’s not that they’re just out of stock. They don’t offer it. Not even online.

Maybe you’re thinking, “Well, of course. It’s a sport clothing store. Obviously they won’t have fat sizes, but I, a thin person, should expect my size to be offered.”

Yeah, and so, that just makes you a bigot, not someone arguing a valid point about social justice.

I’m getting tired of this thin-size clothing whine. It’s rarely more than a very thinly veiled pro-bigotry argument. 

-ATL

Thin privilege is not having to scour places for decent dress shirts for work. Thin privilege is finding good options on the internet, ordering them, and then when finding that the sizing and fit of the shirts are so out of wack you don’t have to make alterations yourself because the retailer does not accept returns.

So my friend showed me this blog today. I was a bit taken aback at the post you wrote about thin women wearing plus size clothing for fashion reasons. Why is it so upsetting for a thin woman to wear larger clothing? I don't see how it would be offensive, as nobody is stealing from anyone else and it's generally up to an individual to decide how they want to dress. Is there something I'm missing?

Asked by
blueswirlythings

They were talking about used clothes — cheaper clothes from thrift stores. I’m not sure if you’re aware but plus size clothing in general is much more expensive than straight size clothing. When you thrift plus size clothing you could very well be poaching the only plus size clothes someone might be able to afford. There are oodles of straight sizes in thrift stores, and comparatively many fewer plus size clothes.

All we ask is for straight sized people to be considerate of what plus size people have to go through, and don’t thrift from plus sizes unless you have to (in a previous post a straight sized person had touch sensitivity, and that’s why she thrifted from plus sizes).

-ATL

butidolikewatchingyoutry:

Why don’t we take into account that for ‘tall’ jeans I will typically pay more? This is an economics issue as well, because less are made they’re sold at a higher price. It’s classed as niche marketing, it’s not a tax.

50% of the US population — that’s women over a size 14 US — is not a niche market, you fucking thinsplainer.

There’s a difference between servicing a niche market and having a certain population by the balls. 

tldr; Shut the fuck up, and sit the fuck down.

-ATL

(via andiheartlydesire)

Hi, I read your FAQ a while back and since then have stopped saying "overweight" thanx. Soon I am giving a class presentation on how retailers should include "plus-sizes" in their standard-sized lines. I dont know what to call ___ people without sounding rude, thin-privileged or un-PC. I doubt my audience will feel comfortable with me saying "fat," especially since I'm not. I also dont want to overuse "plus-size," because what apparel thinks is plus is actually average. What term is best IYO?

Asked by
plutopius

I still think “fat” is best when referring to fat people in a general sense (activism, as a group when referring to discrimination and attitudes against fat people), but I can see how a clothing line might be set up better along a spectrum, with different wording.

Here are a few ideas:

1. “Minus Sizes” - “Average Sizes” - “Plus Sizes” 

Kind of like our current system, except everything turns on the general average size. For instance, if the average size of a woman in the US is a 14, then 14 would be 0. 12 would be -1. 16 would be +1. Like this:

-8 -7 -6 -5  -4  -3  -2  -1  0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8  (new)
00   0   2   4   6   8   10  12 14 16 18 20 22 24 26 28 30 (current)

Such a system would also have the effect of making folks realize that 00 - 4 aren’t any more ‘normal’ kinds of sizes than 24 - 30. 

2. You could suggest a system kind of like clothing for men, going by measurements and not labeling the sizes with the intent of separating them into sections in stores. Fashion Bug did this for a little while, before they were bought out. eShakti doesn’t have physical stores, but they offer 0 - 36W at the same price — what they call their ‘standard sizes’ — and then offer custom sizes as well, that conform to whatever measurements you give them (which I usually do, since I’m six feet tall and pear-shaped). 

Just throwing a couple of things out there. Perhaps my more fashion-and-clothing interested followers might have a few ideas of their own, too.

-ArteToLife

fatgirlopinions:

santimountain:

laylawknee:

deliciouskaek:

thegoddamazon:

utternutter:

stfuconservatives:

Tweeted by @suZen: 

What the. Plus sized women get “Manatee Grey” while standard sizes are “Dark Heather Grey.” @Target #notbuyingit pic.twitter.com/nzHNYoytnp


Why not just call it Call No Attention To Yourself You Fat-Ass Cow Grey and have done with it?
MANATEE GRAY?


This hurts my feelings. :/

i mean… 
fuck this
i already hate shopping for clothes, now this? but nah, we’re not discriminated against or anything. never happens.
fuck everything

wow. 

Oh man, I looked it up.  It’s real.

I love manatees but seriously FUCK. THIS. ARE YOU FOR REAL. and I know they chose manatee to be insulting because why else would they choose to reference rotund sea creatures for only their plus size dress?however I will say it’s refreshing to see that the plus size dress is 3 dollars cheaper than the straight size one. 

fatgirlopinions:

santimountain:

laylawknee:

deliciouskaek:

thegoddamazon:

utternutter:

stfuconservatives:

Tweeted by @suZen: 

What the. Plus sized women get “Manatee Grey” while standard sizes are “Dark Heather Grey.”

Why not just call it Call No Attention To Yourself You Fat-Ass Cow Grey and have done with it?

MANATEE GRAY?

This hurts my feelings. :/

i mean… 

fuck this

i already hate shopping for clothes, now this? but nah, we’re not discriminated against or anything. never happens.

fuck everything

wow. 

Oh man, I looked it up.  It’s real.

I love manatees but seriously FUCK. THIS. 
ARE YOU FOR REAL. and I know they chose manatee to be insulting because why else would they choose to reference rotund sea creatures for only their plus size dress?

however I will say it’s refreshing to see that the plus size dress is 3 dollars cheaper than the straight size one.