43 posts tagged clothing
Me: I'm tired of not finding clothes my size! <br>
well just go to Lane Bryant! Or Dots! That will fit you! <br>
*finds out Lane Bryant is expensive for my salary and Dots is junior plus size, so some of the tops barely fit over my chest* <br>
that's why you need to start making your own clothes! Start a business on it! That's what I would do! <br>
*sewing sizes only go up to a small juniors 20, with the stock of true plus size patterns even lower* <br>
*mainstream dress forms can only accommodate a size small, and adjustable forms for plus size only go up to a size 48 in waist* <br>
*sewing classes only teach a smaller size of a garment pattern, with a vague footnote after a lot of complaints on how to make it bigger* <br>
*fashion design classes only encourage you to work with small model size in relation to a pale face, and business classes discourage you from catering to plus size because what plus size people want Victoria's secret style sleepwear?* <br>
god this sucks, I'm tired of not being able to find things in my size. <br>
wow why are you so angry? Calm down ana. Calm down! If youre having so much trouble why don't you lose weight? You shouldn't be trying to dress yourself for the size youre not anyway. That's clothes you wanna make for skinny girls anyway. </p>
It’s been said many times on here, but thin privilege is finding clothing in your size for a reasonable price.
I am a size 26-28 (depending on the fit, I can even get into a 24) with a 3x torso
I also am cursed with a small chest (I call it a curse because I admit to wanting my boobs just a little…
Your bras aren’t more expensive because companies assume you’re fat; it’s because it’s not a common size so they have to be custom ordered. That costs the company MORE money than mass producing and they don’t mass produce because since it’s not a common size, they would lose money. This is true for most of your clothing problem. It’s not a conspiracy against fat people; it’s called cost of goods.
Seriously; get over your bitterness. Not everything is a conspiracy.
Now though I do agree about the cost of goods thing, skinny/average people clothing is ALWAYS cheaper than fat people clothes. It makes no sense that I have to pay anywhere from 2-5 dollars more than what a skinny person would buy.
Also to put it like this, if I go into a sports store and want to buy nice looking workout clothes I am basically shit out of luck because Nike and them don’t really make work out clothes for fat people for the same amount that a skinny person would fit.
THAT is the underlying issue. Yeah I understand basic economics but at the end of the day, you would make MORE money providing for fat folks.
The company needs more material to make a bigger size, that’s why clothes are a little more expensive. And to be honest with you, nike is looking for the athletic build, not “fat” build, kind of client. They make sportswear. It’s great if you want to wear nike and you want to train, but not many big people do train, hence it being hard to find a fitting nike shirt. It isn’t “thin privilege”. It’s business and targeting a certain clientele.
You know how much extra material is needed for a plus-size garment? Not much—maybe a half-yard to a yard-and-a-half difference depending on the item. At what clothing companies get their yardage for, this is nothing. Certainly not enough to warrant the price hikes usually seen in plus-size clothing.
Additionally, clothes manufacturers have no problem at all rolling the costs of xxs-xl clothing into a set price. There’s an appreciable difference in yardage needed for an XXS shirt than for an XL shirt—comparable to the extra yard needed to go from XL to plus-size—, yet companies do not charge any more for an XL than an XXS. This is because the price of yardage is averaged across the sizes. Averaging prices across XXS—4XL instead of XXS-XL would result in a negligible price hike.
Gonna need a citation for “not many big people want to train”, because I know quite a few. Fuck, I’m an 18—a mere two sizes bigger than the ‘average’ woman—and I can find dick-all for nice exercise gear, Nike or no. It’s either thick sleep pants or expensive specialty store items. I don’t care what Nike does as an individual company—they’re allowed to do whatever the hell they want—but (a) I’m allowed to question their decisions, and (b) it gets pretty fucking old when not just Nike, but no major exercise wear maker makes things I can wear. Training for a 5K gets old in too-long thrift store sweatpants.
Yeah, the only workout clothes that are reasonably affordable and fit me are these horrible heavy knits sold by places like Avenue. And “fit” is often a very loose definition. Like, fits around the hips but is baggy everywhere else. Or has armholes as big as the Grand Canyon.
The idea that thin folks feel entitled to have everything fit perfectly and be affordable, and the lack of either or both of those things is anything remotely like what fat folks go through, is such a fucking laugh — even the stuff MADE FOR plus sized folks is often 30% hit and 70% miss in the “fit” department, and is nearly always made of cheap non-breathable quick-pilling fabric.
— and saying things like, “Oh, it sucks because the S and XS are always raided and so hard to find!”
…you do realize that a place like Olympia Sports (just using an example of a place around here that sell sports clothing) doesn’t sell anything even near my size? That I could even theoretically cover my body with?
It’s not that they’re just out of stock. They don’t offer it. Not even online.
Maybe you’re thinking, “Well, of course. It’s a sport clothing store. Obviously they won’t have fat sizes, but I, a thin person, should expect my size to be offered.”
Yeah, and so, that just makes you a bigot, not someone arguing a valid point about social justice.
I’m getting tired of this thin-size clothing whine. It’s rarely more than a very thinly veiled pro-bigotry argument.
Thin privilege is not having to scour places for decent dress shirts for work. Thin privilege is finding good options on the internet, ordering them, and then when finding that the sizing and fit of the shirts are so out of wack you don’t have to make alterations yourself because the retailer does not accept returns.
They were talking about used clothes — cheaper clothes from thrift stores. I’m not sure if you’re aware but plus size clothing in general is much more expensive than straight size clothing. When you thrift plus size clothing you could very well be poaching the only plus size clothes someone might be able to afford. There are oodles of straight sizes in thrift stores, and comparatively many fewer plus size clothes.
All we ask is for straight sized people to be considerate of what plus size people have to go through, and don’t thrift from plus sizes unless you have to (in a previous post a straight sized person had touch sensitivity, and that’s why she thrifted from plus sizes).
the completed plus size clothing bingo card.
Bingo! BINGO! BIN-GO!!!!
Why don’t we take into account that for ‘tall’ jeans I will typically pay more? This is an economics issue as well, because less are made they’re sold at a higher price. It’s classed as niche marketing, it’s not a tax.
50% of the US population — that’s women over a size 14 US — is not a niche market, you fucking thinsplainer.
There’s a difference between servicing a niche market and having a certain population by the balls.
tldr; Shut the fuck up, and sit the fuck down.
I still think “fat” is best when referring to fat people in a general sense (activism, as a group when referring to discrimination and attitudes against fat people), but I can see how a clothing line might be set up better along a spectrum, with different wording.
Here are a few ideas:
1. “Minus Sizes” - “Average Sizes” - “Plus Sizes”
Kind of like our current system, except everything turns on the general average size. For instance, if the average size of a woman in the US is a 14, then 14 would be 0. 12 would be -1. 16 would be +1. Like this:
-8 -7 -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 (new)
00 0 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22 24 26 28 30 (current)
Such a system would also have the effect of making folks realize that 00 - 4 aren’t any more ‘normal’ kinds of sizes than 24 - 30.
2. You could suggest a system kind of like clothing for men, going by measurements and not labeling the sizes with the intent of separating them into sections in stores. Fashion Bug did this for a little while, before they were bought out. eShakti doesn’t have physical stores, but they offer 0 - 36W at the same price — what they call their ‘standard sizes’ — and then offer custom sizes as well, that conform to whatever measurements you give them (which I usually do, since I’m six feet tall and pear-shaped).
Just throwing a couple of things out there. Perhaps my more fashion-and-clothing interested followers might have a few ideas of their own, too.
Tweeted by @suZen:
Why not just call it Call No Attention To Yourself You Fat-Ass Cow Grey and have done with it?
This hurts my feelings. :/
i already hate shopping for clothes, now this? but nah, we’re not discriminated against or anything. never happens.
Oh man, I looked it up. It’s real.
I love manatees but seriously FUCK. THIS.
ARE YOU FOR REAL. and I know they chose manatee to be insulting because why else would they choose to reference rotund sea creatures for only their plus size dress?
however I will say it’s refreshing to see that the plus size dress is 3 dollars cheaper than the straight size one.
Except that a lot of ready to wear clothing doesn’t fit right unless I mash my bumpy bits around. I see this criticism coming from either smaller fats or young fats. The ready-to-wear clothing industry does not like saggy tits or poochy bits of tummy fat that aren’t really rolls.
I don’t mind shapewear, it lets me wear the clothing they’re only interested in making for 20 year olds.
I sometimes feel like the only person who really liked having spanx available. They made me feel confident enough to wear dresses, and made me feel I looked nice. I liked them, personally.
Yeah, I’m done with FA trying to shame people, espech deathfats on their experiences of fitting into clothes and feeling more confident. Do what you want with your own body, if that includes shapewear, own it.
Noting that the expectation that fat people should or need to wear shapewear is very much like the expectation that used to exist that women should or need to wear tight girdles isn’t fucking shaming fat people who wear shapewear.
I’m getting tired of FA blogs that ignore institutionalized oppression so they can be easy-breezy about actual problematic trends that are bigger than individual fat people wearing or doing what they want (and are in fact set in direct counter to fat people wearing and doing what they want because, like noted, there is an expectation that fat people should or need to wear very expensive and possibly dangerously constrictive clothing in order to appear socially acceptable).
This is just like when some note that the social expectation for women to wear makeup is problematic, and others respond, “Stop shaming women who wear makeup.” Women who wear makeup are not being shamed by the observation that the expectation women should wear makeup is problematic. Additionally, and though certainly this isn’t always the case, it’s a response that sounds like someone who wants to hang on to the beauty privilege won by wearing makeup and not have to think about why the institutionalized expectation that women must wear makeup (and men must NOT) is fucking problematic and oppressive.
You can go ahead and pretend that plus size stores dedicating an increasingly significant percentage of intimates-section floorspace to ‘shapewear’ when the same isn’t nearly as true of straight size stores isn’t problematic. Or that fashion guides aren’t starting to incorporate an expectation that fat women will wear shapewear under everyday clothing, or that fashion designers themselves aren’t doing the latter so they don’t have to bother to design for unbound fat bodies.
Personally, for all I care anyone who wants to can bind themselves in whatever degree they wish, all day and night, for the rest of their lives. But I’m not going to pretend shapewear in its current formulation and marketing doesn’t have strong ties to the institutionalized oppression of fat people. It does.
[TW for fat hate, malpractice, ED]
Thin privilege is going to the doctors with an itchy, bumpy rash in between your fingers and getting it diagnosed without mentioning that your obesity is behind it.
Thin privilege is going to the doctors with strep throat and not having your doctor’s assistant close the door so it’s just you two so she can have a “private” discussion with you about nutrition, pulling out the food pyramid chart for kids, and then demanding to know what you’re doing with your life when she’s done ~educating~ you.
Thin privilege is where your doctor/parents don’t push you to have a life changing, permanent surgery designed to turn your stomach into a coin sized pocket when they know you have binge eating.
Thin privilege is having clothing stores near you that stock your size.
Thin privilege is not having your doctor dismiss a painful lump on your breast as a product of being fat and assuring you that if you lose weight it’ll go away (not my personal experience).
Thin privilege is getting to dismiss the fat erasure in Les Mis with claims of “well, they were starving, so it’s only NATURAL they were all thin…” or “it’s just a movie”.
Thin privilege is assuming that everyone has access to the same options as you do.
I was recently on another site, reading a thread about looking your best, where one person basically declared that it’s not that hard to dress well for cheap because you can buy clothes at a consignment shop and…
DO. YOU. KNOW. HOW. HARD. IT. IS. TO . FIND. A. SIZE. ZERO.
HAVE. YOU. EVER. BEEN. FORCED. TO . SHOP. IN. THE KIDS. SECTION. AT. AGE. 18????
Dude, you can shop in the kids’ section? That’s cool. When I can’t find my size (which, even though I live in a semi-urbanized area, means driving at least 30 miles away to find ONE STORE — note I’d be passing several malls with dozens of straight-clothing stores in the process) I can’t shop in any other section at all. I’m just fucked.
Stop pretending your little privileged problems are remotely like what fat people have to go through.
(obviously, the utter obliviousness of the above response is thin privilege)
Thin privilege is walking into any clothing store, and being served as a customer regardless of whether the clothes in the store fit you or not.
I went into a store the other day to buy an ENTIRE outfit for my husband. I was completely ignored by staff whom I am pretty sure were laughing and staring at me… Too bad for them I walked I didn’t spend my money there….