Why do you get angry at opposing viewpoints and arguments? I always see responses to people with differing opinions with rude, snide comments thrown in to really show your dislike. Are you capable of having a viable input to arguments you may not agree with? It just seems like I see a lot of, “Stop liking what I don’t like” or “Stop having opposing viewpoints.”
You would think on a page dedicated to not being biased towards a certain group of people would practice what they preach.
You’re new to the concept of privilege it seems. Either that or this is your sooper slick way of implying that thin privilege doesn’t exist (because we’ve never heard *that* one before!).
This blog is dedicated to opening the eyes of society to the oppression fat people experience. So, who, exactly are we hypocritically oppressing? Just “people with opposing viewpoints”? Is that a large chunk of humans who have been discriminated against and erased worldwide for decades that we’re just now hearing about?
And lastly, you could have found your answer to this in our FAQ, but for your sake and the sake of a healthy reminder:
"Tone policing disadvantaged people is oppressive in and of itself. It places a burden on the disadvantaged that is not put on oppressors: that of being “polite” by the standards of the oppressors. And, frankly, there is no way to be polite enough by those standards, because just telling them that the oppression exists is not “polite”. For example, I’m following a conversation going on on my dash, in which a WOC said, simply, that Bioshock: Infinite had too much racist imagery for her, she found it triggering, and she was not going to be able to play it. She didn’t cuss. She didn’t call anyone names. She didn’t say anyone else shouldn’t play it. She said she wasn’t going to. And she has been getting a flood of hate for it for a good 24 hours now. People are insulted that she would say B:I is racist at all. It was rude of her to call any attention to the racist imagery. And they are shitting all over her for it, often in worse terms than any of the mods here use. Because oppressors think that pointing out oppression is rude. Period. …
"Because we are not here to coddle our oppressors, and we are not here to coddle anyone who sounds like our oppressors, either, because we simply can’t tell the difference until you stop sounding like our oppressors. If you act like a troll, if you act like an oppressor, we will treat you with the contempt that deserves." -Madgastonomer
Thin privilege is not having to worry about eating a snack in front of a group of “friends” knowing you won’t be judged for it. I went out with my friends to the Art Gallery, and I was really hungry as I didn’t have time to eat breakfast. I had brought a blueberry muffin with me and started to eat it, when my one “friend” piped in “It’s almost lunch time do you really need to be eating right now ?” I didn’t even know what to say I was so shocked. I love art so much but now I can’t even enjoy that anymore without fear of fat shaming.
Wait. Instead of implementing a sizing system like that, marking everyone thinner than the original size 14 a 'negative' number, why don't we just go back to actual body measurements? Where you pick based on your hip/waist measurements like 24", 27", 30", ect? It would basically eliminate vanity sizing and all of the numbers would be factually accurate and easy for everyone to understand. Not to mention that they would all be 'larger' numbers (nobody has a 0-inch waist after all).
Based on the recent kerfuffle with Symantec blocking TITP as a “self-harm” site, I’m interested in how our followers found This is Thin Privilege.
Was TITP recommended to you by word of mouth? Did you find it using a web search? Did you see a post reblogged on Tumblr? Did another website mention it (and if so, which)?
Just curious, considering the large amount of followers we have (and which is still growing steadily) despite Tumblr’s ghost-noting of TITP starting in February, and Symantec’s blocking.
Thanks for your response! :) It’s been really amazing to watch this project develop. You’re all awesome. <3
I am a small fat. In fact, most of you here would probably not consider me fat at all, as I still enjoy a lot of thin privilege. Though I have no trouble fitting into an airplane seat, here in France it’s difficult for a guy my size to find well-fitting clothes, my friends make fun of me, and every girlfriend I’ve had (except my current) has pestered me to lose weight. No matter how hard I tried, it didn’t work out, and to be honest I wasn’t very broken up about. I’m fine with my body, but I do still get very paranoid my thin, gorgeous girlfriend secretly finds me unattractive.
I was bed-ridden for about the last week and a half (still not fully recovered) with an awful case of the flu. I lost a few kilograms during this time and I thought the difference was noticeable. Probably mostly water weight, but still. When my girlfriend came over to see me or the first time in a few days, I had already told her I thought I looked thinner and she sounded skeptical. However, when she how much weight the illness had made me lose, her face instantly fell to frown of concern and distress and she said, “You need to eat more! I know it’s difficult, but you’re wasting away to nothing….It’s not healthy!!” I was so relieved and felt much more secure in her feelings about my appearance.
Thin privilege is not worrying that your significant other will praise your unhealthy, disease-related weight loss, rather than express concern.
Academic economist here, checking in to note that you don’t have your post on behavioral economics quite right (in part because it seems the wikipedia article is not well-written).
"Time-inconsistency" isn’t about whether you "care" about your future self or not. It’s about the ability to make a plan for the future right now, and continue on with that same plan you made today in future periods.
People who decide today not to try to lose weight tomorrow because of, for example, the reasons presented on this blog, are *not* time-inconsistent. They have rational and time-consistent preferences about (not) losing weight, and they make a plan right now not to do so, and they stick to it tomorrow.
People who make a plan to lose weight starting tomorrow (through whatever means), but then fail to follow through with their plan, are time-inconsistent.
Economists (or, at least, economists who are properly using their training) place no *judgment* on the ways that people choose between various options that they face about health or whatever else. We usually assume you are “maximizing your utility” when making your choices. Choose not to exercise because you don’t like it or because it makes you ill? An economist has no issue with this per se.
Observations about time-inconsistency are observations that people seem to not have the same preferences over actions today and actions tomorrow. Resolving to diet tomorrow (while not doing so today) is what is at issue, and what is of academic interest to economists. Not because they love diets, but because it is interesting that peoples’ preferences over a decision don’t seem stable over time.
Mod note: Thank you for your response! I really appreciate it. I realized that the Wiki article was poorly written. In my critique, however, I included a public-goods article supporting government intervention into “obesity” precisely because of apparent time-inconsistent preference of fat people — I’m assuming that they agree with the popular misinformation about weight loss dieting (i.e., they exhibit enough bias not to research more deeply into the matter) that the reason diets don’t work and fat people remain fat is because though they decide to diet today, tomorrow they might choose not to and hence, the diet “fails.” A quote from the article under the heading “Rationale: time-inconsistent preferences”:
However, it has been argued that some foods may be addictive or that some individuals have problems of self-control or a strong desire for instant gratification that might mean they make decisions which are rational at the time of consumption, but which they later regret or which are not consistent with their long-term preferences.
I’m very interested in behavioral economics, so I want to make sure I’m getting this right. I appreciate your response.
Thin privilege is being able to listen to a podcast of some comedians you like without being told you as a person are undesirable and wrong. Starting at 7:26 and going on for 15 minutes of this ‘If I Were You’ podcast with Jake Hurwitz, Amir Blumenfeld, and Patrick Cassels was physically hard to stomach. (MAJOR trigger warning for fat shaming and insanely degrading views on big women. Also misogyny, misogyny everywhere. If you’re easily triggered don’t even click)
It starts with a question from a shitstain of a human who wants to manipulate his already thin girlfriend into losing weight because he doesn’t know ‘why can’t everyone eat right and exercise’. I was holding out hope because I like the three of these guys very much and was glad when Jake told the guy to smash his own face on a table, but it quickly turned into jokes about fat women while being grossly misogynistic. Jokes about how rich overweight people in the past were revered for being ‘good at eating chicken’. How the guy should incept his girlfriend, but it would take 13 layers because she’s so fat and the first 8 would be about eating chicken. How Patrick has ‘only dated fat chicks’ because you know a man who dates a big woman has failed somehow. Not to mention using ‘eat better because I want you to be healthy’ bullshit. ‘Obese unhealthy’. “It doesn’t matter if they’re in a normal weight range.”(as in you don’t need to lose weight as long as you’re thin) “If she’s not morbidly unhealthy obese he has no right to tell her to lose weight.” Because otherwise, have at that fat bitch, right? And that’s not even the bulk of it.
I couldn’t get through it without crying
This is the fucking state of our culture. They think they’re not in the wrong because they’re not wording it the same as a blatant asshole, when they’re believing and adhering to and supporting the same garbage. Saying basically, if your girlfriend is fat you can go to whatever lengths to make her lose weight so she’s worthy of your bare minimum of human decency and acceptance, but why would you be in a relationship with a fat woman anyways you fucking loser? Respect your girlfriend EXCEPT IF SHE’S FAT isn’t a thing decent fucking people say.
The 'campaign' the trolls have on the net filtering software makes me laugh. I used to look after that system at work and had one woman yell at me because I blocked all the pro-ana sites but "still allow links to places selling fat clothes - fat is HARMFUL". Yes, she actually wanted me to block clothing sites but allow her access to pro-ana blogs. Logic isn't a troll's strong point
There is a popular sketch comedy show I used to enjoy that’s got me in a tizzy. They’ve featured fat characters before but it was never the brunt of their jokes, simply a fat character. Their recent episode crossed the line not once, but 4 times.
In order from least bad to worst,
A fake news story where ninja costumes are only available up to 3XL, forsaking all the fat assassins. Thin privilege is wearing all black at Halloween and people don’t assume it’s just to hide your curves.
An fat male audience member at a comedy club being made fun of for needing to eat a lot of food. Thin privilege is not being singled out by comedians.
A bit where the two stars discuss mistaking fat women for pregnant women (can we PLEASE stop judging women on their bodies already?)
A whole sketch dedicated to a fat man living the lonely life. He feels the need to make up fake family members to justify his existence to a complete stranger over the phone while trying to return a faulty SkyMall order. The order was for a Superman bed with the Matress of Solitude, implying that only fat, lonely people would consider using it. Oh, the product was faulty because he broke it when he lay down. Really funny. It gets worse. The man is into comic books and superheroes and action figures. He pretends one of them is his son (who he claims the bed was for) and one of them was his wife because nobody could believe an adult would want the bed. What did being fat have to do with the skit? Why did the bed have to break from his weight instead of be delivered faulty? It would have been just as funny.
Thin privilege is being able to enjoy one of your favorite shows without having to worry about being offended next week.
I used to be a big fan of the show, now I want to warn my friends not to watch it.
[tw: abuse, concern trolling, intersections with sexism, ageism, and ableism]
Thin privilege is being able to go the grocery store without an employee making a point of commenting on your nutrition and appearance. Fat phobia + sexism involve how no matter how fat or “not conventionally attractive” a man can be, he still thinks a woman’s looks are his business and he’s entitled to commenting on how fat she is.
Today, I went to buy a few drinks at the local grocery store. The (fat) sales clerk (who also insists on calling me “Miss,” by the way) insisted on me buying bread “as usual,” but I refused because I had other plans. He then commented loudly on how concerned he was because I used to be “so skinny” and all this bread I buy was making me so fat. I told him it was none of his business and that I felt pretty good in my skin. He didn’t apologize.
It’s the second time it’s happened with the same seller, too. The first time, I gave him the benefit of the doubt —it helps that I had body image issues. I’ve been a regular at this store for over five years, but this time I won’t be going anymore, except to tell the (fat) owner exactly why. Years ago, I put on weight because I developed health issues as a result of being harassed at my previous job. I’m on anxiety medication, and now my weight (along with my relatively young age) is an excuse for harassment at my new job —the real reason being that people are jealous I have a graduate degree from abroad— so fuck this guy. Excuse my French, but fuck this guy’s face. Because of course all I need during my free time is more abuse and sexism.
Also, bread is such an outrageous food item. How dare I eat bread?
So a few months ago, I was getting ready to go to college. My mom wanted me put on birth control before I left. It wasn’t really for the contraception but to regulate my periods. I’d already had birth control before, but I stopped taking it after I thought it made my head fuzzy*.
Well I needed a physical to get medical paperwork done for college but my normal doctor wasn’t available until after I had to have the paperwork into my school. So we went to a different female doctor at the same practice.
Now, I have that “white coat syndrome” when I’m at the doctor because I don’t trust doctors. So my mom decided before we’d go that we’d monitor my blood pressure for a week. I was consistently in the 120-125 over 78-83 range. When we went to the doctor, my blood pressure was, of course, high. The doctor looked at my blood pressure log and essentially ignored it. She also decided I should start taking a cholesterol medication. I can’t remember which one. My mom said it’s the one my father takes and it’s basically a water pill. And, of course, I’m not allowed birth control if my blood pressure is so high.
So I begrudgingly leave with that prescription instead of my birth control. I’m told to monitor my blood pressure on the pills.
Also, I had a consultation about getting my wisdom teeth taken out the day of that physical. I was told that until I was on the blood pressure medication for at least 3 weeks, I couldn’t undergo the surgery. That put me in a position where I couldn’t get my wisdom teeth out before college. (Oh, and, fun thing, my blood pressure was completely normal at the dentist and I had not taken a single dose of the pills yet.)
Surprise surprise, after a few days on the pills, my blood pressure is coming up HIGHER than before. I was consistently over 140 and 100. After a week and a half, I stopped the pills because they also made me feel sick.
I had an appointment with my primary care a week after that. My blood pressure was returning to normal. It still was high in the office because I hate doctors but at home it was stabilizing.
She basically called the other doctor an idiot. Not only had she put me on the medication when she shouldn’t have, she had put me on a medication that my primary care would never have given as a patient’s first blood pressure med. My primary care gave me the script for birth control and told me that I could fill it if I could fax her another okay blood pressure log after two weeks off the blood pressure medication.
And now I have my birth control.
*The fuzziness was actually one of the first symptoms I developed of Hashimoto’s disease. Which I was diagnosed with after bloodwork at the same appointment where I finally got my birth control.
This blog got blocked because it was self harming. These people actually believe that trying to not be discriminated against is self harming. I’m done.
Mod note: Yep. They actually think that by us advocating against discrimination, we’re hurting fat people. They think fat hatred and bias is good for fat people, and because we consider it critically, we’re not allowing those bad fattie-fats to get the torture they “deserve” and hence (as they fallaciously believe) become permanently thin, morally better people as a result. But fat people aren’t discriminated against, right? -ATL
You’re deliberately downplaying the very real health issues obesity can cause. You’re enabling sons of bitches who ignore completely logical health advice and, let’s be real, here, no thin person has ever made me hate myself for being fat as much as you guys do. This is probably the best thing I’ve ever seen.
Seriously. This is beautiful.
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YAY! THANK YOU JESUS!
wow what the fuck you guys
thisisthinprivilege was a place for people to vent about the fact that they’re burdened by assholes in society that refuse to look over the fact that they’re fat and people who BULLY THEM for being even a bit overweight, and this blog was a place to affirm that they’re not the only ones who have family and peers who are assholes about it
and you celebrate the fact that it got taken down
We are still here. We have not been taken down. Symantec is a company that provides site-blocking software to business that don’t want their employees looking at certain kinds of sites, and parents that don’t want their kids looking at certain kinds of sites. They maintain lists of what sites are “good” and “bad,” often based on reports from users rather than reviews of the sites by employees.
Just an FYI, I spoke with someone in Symantec’s legal department and was told Tumblr uses their security software. If I am not able to speak with someone from tumblr I will be calling Symantec back.
In response to the post about TITP being blocked for self-harm, don't you think it's more likely that the reason it was blocked was because there are posts trigger-warned for self-harm? The program blocking sites most likely registered that the phrase "self-harm" came up now and then and blocked the site automatically. (cont. in next ask)
We have a number of confirmed instances of trolls who want to silence this blog telling blocking software companies that we are a self-harm community on a par with pro-ana groups because we “encourage people” to be fat. So no, I don’t think it’s more likely. This is not the first time this has happened. Our dedicated trolls organize campaigns to do this to us.